Tuesday, October 17, 2017

There are two interpretations of Vatican Council II today and the magisterial one is a scandal : Catholic writers are not asking the Vatican the right questions.

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When Catholic journalists and writers meet Vatican officials, cardinals and bishops, and ask them about extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) they go there un-prepared.When Edward Pentin asked Cardinal Gerhard Muller about EENS, the cardinal referred to Lumen Gentium 14 as an exception.He meant EENS had really changed.When Pentin asked Archbishop Augustine di Noia about EENS, he referred to Lumen Gentium 8, as if it was an exception and so EENS was no more like it was before.Muller and Di Noia saw Vatican Council II as a rupture with EENS, ' a development', as Pope Benedict said in March 2016.
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Unlike Muller and Di Noia, who were vague, Pope Benedict has clearly said that EENS was no more like it was in the 16th century.So for me it means at one time in history the magisterium was wrong. 
For the three of them(Benedict,Muller, Di Noia) there were known cases of non Catholics saved outside the Church.These are known cases, explicit exceptions to EENS( they would have to be explicit otherwise they could not be exceptions),people  saved in invincible ignorance(LG 14) or with elements of sanctification and truth (LG 8) found in other religions.This was also Edward Pentin's concept of visible for us LG 8, LG 16 etc, so he moved on to the next question without correcting Muller and Di Noia.
Recently Maike Hickson writing for the blog 1Peter5 asked her sources about EENS and she got no answer.She too went un-prepared.
They could have quoted me saying,'I am a Catholic and I interpret Vatican Council II with LG 14, LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22,AG 11 etc as referring to hypothetical cases, invisible and unknown people in 2017.I have repeated this many times on my blog.For me these references in Vatican Council II are acceptable as theoretical cases which would only be known to God.So of course, with or without the baptism of water, they are not practical exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) as it was known to the missionaries in the 16th century.Since they are physically invisible cases they are not explicit exceptions to the traditional teaching on there being exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church and every one needs to be incorporated into the Church as a member for salvation.'
Cardinal Muller and Archbishop Di Noia made an objective mistake in the interpretation of Vatican Council II and EENS as did Pope Benedict in the Avvenire interview last year.
They violated the Principle of Non Contradiction by suggesting that there are known people in Heaven or on earth who have been saved outside the Church. This is false. There are no known people saved with the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and in invincible ignorance(I.I).There cannot be such cases for us human beings. There are no such known cases in the present times with or without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.To suggest that people in Heaven are exceptions on earth to the dogma EENS is irrational.It is creating a new theology with a false premise.So if there cannot be any known case where are the exceptions?
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Also it must be noted that the ordinary means of salvation is ' faith and baptism'(AG 7) in the Catholic Church. It is not BOD, BOB and I.I.So how would Archbishop Di Noia know that a particular Anglican or Protestant would be going to Heaven even without Catholic faith? This person could be in mortal sin at the time of death and Di Noia would not know..So how would Di Noia know how Jesus would judge and why should he make an exception for any particular person. There is no way that we humans can judge and know who is an exception to the ordinary means of salvation.
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 Catholic writers note : there is a Catholic blogger who has written that unlike the two popes and the CDF cardinals and bishops, he affirms the Nicene Creed, the Athanasius Creed, Vatican Council II, Catechism of the Catholic Church and other magisterial documents, which he interprets with hypothetical cases just being hypothetical and so they are not exceptions to the exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.No one at the Vatican can correct him or show him where he is wrong.How can there be two interpretations of magiserial documents the Catholic writers must ask? Yet this is the reality in the Church today.
For me(Lionel) Cardinal Muller and Archbishop Di Noia's interpretation of Vatican Council II is irrational, non traditional and heretical.
Their error comes from the mistake made in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 when the Archbishop of Boston and Rome were in heresy and not Fr. Leonard Feeney.Since invisible cases of BOD, BOB and I.I could not be visible exceptions to the Feeneyite interpretation of EENS.The 'magisterium' made a mistake. An injustice was done to Fr. Leonard Feeney.
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Similarly an injustice was done to Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre when Pope John Paul II and Cardinal Ratzinger interpreted LG 16, LG 8, UR 3 etc as referring to visible and known people saved outside the Church.So with this false premise(invisible people are visible, unknown cases are known in the present times) Vatican Council II became a rupture with EENS and the Syllabus of Errors.They excommunicated Archbishop Lefebvre for not accepting this irrational version of the Council.
I repeat, there are two interpretations of Vatican Council II today and the magisterial one is a scandal.
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There is doctrinal and theological connection between the Fr.Leonard Feeney case and that of Archbishop Lefebvre and Vatican Council II.The mistake of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 is repeated in Vatican Council II and then the Catechism of the Catholic Church.Once we are aware of it we can avoid it and the interpretation of the magisterial documents becomes traditional and supports the old exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church.
But it is the old exclusivisit ecclesiolgy of the Church which is being denied by the Vatican and the CDF with the use of an irrational premise and no journalist or writer calls attention to it.-Lionel Andrades

CARDINAL GERHARD MULLER : MISTAKES HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES AS BEING EXPLICIT IN THE PRESENT TIMES.
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That has been discussed, but here, too, there has been a development of all that was said in the Church, beginning with St. Cyprian, one of the Fathers of the Church, in the third century. Again, the perspective is different between then and now. In the third century, some Christian groups wanted to be outside the Church, and what St. Cyprian said is that without the Church a Christian cannot be saved. The Second Vatican Council also said this: Lumen Gentium 14 says: “Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.” He who is aware of the presence of Revelation is obliged by his conscience to belong publicly — and not only in his conscience, in his heart — to this Catholic Church by remaining in communion with the Pope and those bishops in communion with him.
But we cannot say that those who are inculpably ignorant of this truth are necessarily condemned for that reason. We must hope that those who do not belong to the Church through no fault of their own, but who follow the dictates of their God-given conscience, will be saved by Jesus Christ whom they do not yet know. Every person has the right to act according to his or her own conscience. - Cardinal Gerhard Muller (10/02/2012 ). Archbishop Gerhard Müller: 'The Church Is Not a Fortress', National Catholic Register  http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/archbishop-mueller-the-church-is-not-a-fortress/#ixzz3pwkg3Mur

ARCHBISHOP AUGUSTINE DO NOIA : ASSUMES WHAT IS KNOWN ONLY TO GOD CAN BE KNOWN AND JUDGED BY US HUMAN BEINGS.


I don’t know if you can blame this on the Council so much as the emergence of a theological trend that emphasized the possibility of salvation of non-Christians. But the Church has always affirmed this, and it has never denied it. …The Council did say there are elements of grace in other religions, and I don’t think that should be retracted. I’ve seen them, I know them — I’ve met Lutherans and Anglicans who are saints.' - Archbishop Augustine di Noia ( 07/01/2012 ), Archbishop Di Noia, Ecclesia Dei and the Society of St. Pius X, National Catholic Register.


http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/archbishop-dinoia-ecclesia-dei-and-the-society-of-st.-pius-x/#ixzz3Q1Vx3byR


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 BISHOP BERNARD FELLAY  ASSUMES THEORETICAL POSSIBILITIES KNOWN ONLY TO GOD ARE EXPLICIT IN THE PRESENT TIMES AND RELEVANT TO EENS


'The same declaration (LG, 8) also recognizes the presence of “salvific elements” in non-Catholic Christian communities. The decree on ecumenism goes even further, adding that “the Spirit of Christ does not refrain from using these churches and communities as means of salvation, which derive their efficacy from the fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church.” (UR, 3)
Such statements are irreconcilable with the dogma “No salvation outside of the Church, which was reaffirmed by a Letter of the Holy Office on August 8, 1949". -Bishop Bernard Fellay  (April 13, 2014 ) Letter to Friends and Benefactors no. 82
http://www.dici.org/en/documents/letter-to-friends-and-benefactors-no-82/

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 OCTOBER 16, 2017

Apologetics for Maike Hickson when she is at the Vatican

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/apologetics-for-maike-hickson-when-she.html
OCTOBER 15, 2017
Dr.Maike Hickson does not get answers at the Vatican
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/drmaike-hickson-does-not-get-answers-at.html

OCTOBER 13, 2017
Maike Hickson could ask Abp.Guido Pozzo and the SSPX the relevant questions : right to canonical status
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/maike-hickson-could-ask-abpguido-pozzo.html

OCTOBER 15, 2017

We are in the same Church but the Polish bishops interpret the Nicene Creed, EENS, Vatican Council II and the Catechism differently


http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/we-are-in-same-church-but-polish.html


OCTOBER 14, 2017

Pope Francis talks with Kiko Argüello, founder of the Neocatechumenal Way, in Rome on March 6.

We are in the same Church but the two popes and I interpret the Nicene Creed, EENS, Vatican Council II and the Catechism differently

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/we-are-in-same-church-but-two-popes-and.html

OCTOBER 13, 2017
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SSPX has to show Abp.Pozzo that 'the dogma of the faith' has not been lost : it's in harmony with Vatican Council II (premise-free)
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/sspx-has-to-show-abppozzo-that-dogma-of.html

OCTOBER 12, 2017
Five months and no concrete dialogue between the SSPX and Ecclesia Dei on Vatican Council II (premise-free) and EENS(premise-free)
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/five-months-and-no-dialogue-between.html

OCTOBER 12, 2017
Abp.Guido Pozzo cannot affirm the Syllabus of Errors nor the past exclusivist ecclesiology since Vatican Council II has a hermeneutic of rupture for him with invisible cases being visible : SSPX priests must correct his error
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/abpguido-pozzo-cannot-affirm-syllabus.html

 OCTOBER 10, 2017
Vatican doctrinal error could not have been made clearer : Lefebvre, Feeney censure based on the false premise
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/vatican-doctrinal-error-could-not-have.html

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Monday, October 16, 2017

Power of Prayer Caught on Camera: Witness and Believe

Sun Miracle in Idukki, Kerala, India




Alleged Marian apparitions draw hundreds to Kerala church

Alleged Marian apparitions draw hundreds to Kerala church 

By Cyriac Sebastian
Kochi: Hundreds of people are flocking to a church in Kerala after a group of children claimed to have had Marian apparitions while praying there.
The children are students of St Ambrose Lower Primary School at Edavanakkad adjacent to a parish church with the same name under the archdiocese of Verapoly.
According to an explanatory note posted on the parish billboard, it all began on September 23 when a Hindu girl student, Krishnaveda, went to the church to pray for her ear problem and applied some holy water.
The girl later told her companions that she felt immediate relief as she applied the holy water on her ear.
As the children came out to pray in the church, they saw in the sky a vision of Jesus being scourged to pray and when they looked up, the church note signed by parish priest Father Mathew D’Cunha says.
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Reciting the name of “Jesus” they went inside the church to thank God for curing Krishnaveda’s ear problem. Ambrosiya, the only Catholic girl among them, volunteered to lead them in reciting the rosary.
Since she did not know the “Mysteries of Light” recited on Thursdays, she had requested her class teacher’s help. The children were already praying when the teacher reached the church around 1:45 pm.
As they were praying one of the girls, Anusree, told the teacher that the Blessed Virgin was standing under the altar table. They also felt the smell of jasmine flower. The children said the apparition called them to come closer. All this frightened another girl, Sivanya, who said she wanted to go from there.
As the teacher led the children out of the church, the girls saw the apparition coming after them pleading not to go away. As the teacher went to inform other teachers, the children went to call Father Merton D’Silva, the assistant pastor.
The priest took the children back to the church to pray. The children claimed they could see Mother Mary standing under the altar table. But the elders, including Father D’Silva could not see anything.

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The children said the alleged apparition promised them help in studies and send them the Holy Spirit. They were also promised to be taken to heaven. As the news spread people began to gather and the parents took their children home.
A similar phenomenon occurred on October 3 when a large crowd prayed the rosary in the church with the children. After some time, everyone experienced the smell of jasmine flowers. The children saw the vision again. The priest asked the children for the exact spot where his head and prayed with tears. The gathering saw a bright light and the priest said he felt someone patting his head.
The note said many in the crowd received the gift of contrition as they prayed in the church. Since then, the church has witnessed a steady flow of visitors.
Father D’Silva said the archdiocesan authorities have decided to wait and watch before intervening.

Meanwhile the church plans to hold a night vigil on October 12.
http://mattersindia.com/2017/10/alleged-marian-apparitions-draw-hundreds-to-kerala-church/

SCHOOL CHILDREN IN INDIA CLAIM TO SEE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY

SCHOOL CHILDREN IN INDIA CLAIM TO SEE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY

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by Rodney Pelletier  •  ChurchMilitant.com  •  October 16, 2017    

EVAVANAKKAD, India (ChurchMilitant.com) - A group of school children in the state of Kerala, India, are claiming they saw the Blessed Virgin Mary under the altar when they went pray at church.
On September 23, a Hindu girl who attended school at St. Ambrose parish in Edavanakkad, claims she was having pain in one of her ears. After going into church and putting holy water in her ear, she claimed she was healed.
She told her friends several days later of the healing, and Ambrosiya, her only Catholic friend, volunteered to lead them in a Rosary of thanksgiving in church during lunch.
 
On the way, they claim to have seen an image of Our Lord in the sky and went into church, praying the holy name of Jesus.
When they began the Rosary, they claimed Our Lady appeared to them "beneath" the altar and told them they would someday go to Heaven. They also claimed to be able to detect the heavy scent of jasmine, which symbolizes purity in Indian culture.
Father Merton D'Silva, the parish priest, questioned each child and submitted his findings to the bishop of the Roman Catholic archdiocese of Verapoly that has decided to "wait and see" before any further investigation or comment.

Since the alleged event, hundreds of people have been flocking to the parish with many people claiming to be healed after praying the Rosary there.
On October 3, the children again claimed to see Our Lady in the church and the hundreds of people in attendance claim to have smelled a strong scent of jasmine.
Kerala is the Indian state with the highest ratio of Catholics, approximately 18 percent of the population. India has about 20 million Catholics, equaling only about 1.55 percent of the total population. Despite that, however, it has the highest number of Catholics in Asia after the Philippines.  
Saint Thomas the Apostle traveled to Kerala in south-east India, a common Jewish merchant stop in ancient times and spread the Gospel there, eventually being martyred.
For 2,000 years, Christians there have considered themselves "St. Thomas Christians" and use the color red, symbolizing martyrdom, as the primary liturgical color.
https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/school-children-in-india-claim-to-see-blessed-virgin-mary