Sunday, November 19, 2017

Rome Tribute to Dubia Cardinal Stopped by Police

ROME TRIBUTE TO DUBIA CARDINAL STOPPED BY POLICE



by Juliana Freitag  •  ChurchMilitant.com  •  November 18, 2017   

Officers detain, question hosts of billboard praising the late Cdl. Carlo Caffarra



A truck billboard honoring the late Cdl. Carlo Caffarra, stalwart defender of orthodoxy and one of the signatories of the dubia, was stopped by Italian police, its hosts detained and questioned.
Italian pro-life groups ProVita Onlus and Vita è got together with Catholic publishing house Fede e Cultura to pay homage to the deceased archbishop of Bologna. They arranged for a publicity truck with billboard images of the cardinal and his close friend Pope St. John Paul II to be driven around Rome from November 6 (the two-month anniversary of Caffarra's death) to November 11. 
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The billboard read, "Thank you, Caffarra," alongside an extract of Pope John Paul II's famous Washington speech: "When the institution of marriage is abandoned to human selfishness or reduced to a temporary, conditional arrangement that can easily be terminated, we will stand up and affirm the indissolubility of the marriage bond."
Editor and co-founder of Fede e Cultura, Prof. Giovanni Zenone, stated that they wanted to remember Caffarra "because he was truly a father, able to direct souls to Christ, both in previous pontificates and in the present times of doctrinal and spiritual disorientation."
"[He] wasn't ambiguous, but had that ... clarity that is a sign of truth and love," Zenone continued. "He did a lot of charity for the poor, but never publicized it, because for him it was enough that God knew."
Zenone is also a signatory of the Filial Correction, a 25-page letter signed by clergy and scholars asking the Pope to condemn seven potential heresies in Amoris Laetitia, made worse by the Pope's "words, deeds and omissions." Zenone says he signed the Correction "because the Pope's silence toward the legitimate ... pleas of clarification ... scandalized me and it spurred me to do something as a Catholic. Amicus Plato, sed magis amica veritas ("Plato is my friend, but truth is a better friend")."
On the very first day, the tribute truck was stopped by the Italian Police, and the driver, Toni Brandi (president of ProVita Onlus), was held and questioned for two hours. Brandi was contacted by one of the chief officers over the phone, who asked him what the purpose of the initiative was, "since Cardinal Caffarra wasn't aligned with Pope Francis."
To this incredible accusation, Brandi replied that theirs was the celebration of a holy man who was "neither a heretic nor separated from the Pope." Brandi was summoned the next day for further questioning. 
Brandi made clear that the police officers were kind and polite, and that "it seemed as if they'd been forced to do this ugly job." He wondered "who might've ordered them to block the truck."
Church Militant spoke to Brandi, who confirmed all the details of the incident and called it "absolutely shameful." 
The interrogation lasted about 45 minutes, during which time Brandi explained the connection between Caffarra and Pope John Paul II (they co-founded the Pontifical John Paul II Institute for Studies on Marriage and Family). The officers inquired as to the organizers, whether there were other people behind the billboard, why it was done, and whether the Vatican had been warned (a needless procedure, as the truck had all the necessary permits to operate in the Italian State).
The officers questioned their motivates: "Was it an awareness campaign, a protest or simply a celebration?" Brandi was also asked why the need to celebrate a Bolognese cardinal in Rome.
If the ordeal weren't surreal enough, when faced with Brandi's answer — "because Rome is the home of Christianity; we're a pro-life organization, we wanted to celebrate a defender of life" — one of the officers replied, "But the Church doesn't talk about life nowadays."
The meeting finished with the president of ProVita disclosing information about his work and providing a number of documents to back up his claims. He was advised to "be careful" when uploading pictures of the truck to the organizers' websites. 
Brandi can be seen in the video above praying to Caffarra outside the police station where he had been interrogated. The truck circulated freely throughout Rome over the next days. 
ProVita Onlus is now looking into legal action against the government for violating ther religious freedom, and six members of the Italian Parliament have already submitted  the case to the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Alessandro Pagano, from Lega Nord ("Northern League"), stated: "We ask the Minister to verify the reasons for the police's anomalous behaviour."
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Massimiliano Fedriga, also from Lega Nord, commented, "I presented a query to understand ... the motivations of whoever issued the orders to interrogate ProVita Onlus."
And Eugenia Roccella, from IDEA (the Identity and Action Party) declared that "it's unbelievable that the celebration of ... Cardinal Caffarra ... can be seen as suspicious by the police. We wonder ... who ordered such questioning. It's unacceptable that Christians, persecuted all over the world, have been intimidated in Rome, in the heart of Christianity." 
Vatican insider Marco Tosatti mentioned the possibility that the order to detain might have come from inside the Vatican itself.  

Juliana Freitag

Juliana Freitag is Church Militant's Italian correspondent.







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Rorate Caeili , Una Voce offer Traditional Latin Mass without EENS(Feeneyite) as in the 16th century Latin Mass :alternative to New Age

FIUV Position Paper: The EF and the New Age

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Today I am publishing, after a bit of a break, another in the series of Position Papers which have been produced by the FIUV (Una Voce International). This one addresses the challenge to the Church of the New Age movement, and the role the Traditional Mass could have in meeting that challenge.

Relevant to this is the review I wrote on this blog of Roger Buck Cor Iesu Sacratissimum, on his journey from the New Age to Catholic Tradition, here.

I have written some further reflections on the paper on my own blog here.

https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2017/11/fiuv-position-paper-ef-and-new-age.html


Rorate Caeili has posted an FIUV Position Paper: The Extraordinay Form and the New Age it recommends the Traditional Latin Mass as an alternative to the New Age -attraction. Of course it is the Tridentine Rite Mass without the exclusive Feeneyite ecclesiology.Una Voce means invite them all to the Latin Mass where the ecclesiology is invisible for us baptism of desire is a visible exception to Feeneyite EENS. So of course every one is encouraged to enter the Church for salvation except for the known cases of those who are saved with the baptism of desire, invincible ignorance and the baptism of blood.Then there are those known cases of those non Catholics saved with non-hypothetical 'seeds of the Word'(AG 11) and 'elements of sanctification and truth'(LG 8) in other religions etc.

So according to Una Voce the Traditional Latin Mass is offered and must be offered without EENS according to the Latin Mass in the 16th century.
-Lionel Andrades

St.Benedict Centers formally reject Feeneyism with Vatican Council II : visible for us baptism of desire is chosen

If you consider the baptism of desire(BOD) visible or invisible decides how you interpret Vatican Council II. So it determines if the conclusion is traditional or non traditional.Orthodox or heretical.
Most Catholics interpret Vatican Council II with BOD being visible.So they cannot believe me when I say that Vatican Council II is not a rupture with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).For me invisible cases of BOD cannot be a rupture with what they now call the past esclusivist ecclesiology.It's unthinkable.They cannot imagine Vatican Council II being traditional.
Now the traditionalists at the St.Benedict Center, Still River,Massachusetts have chosen to accept canonical status in the diocese of Worcester, with visible for us baptism of desire.So hypothetical cases in Vatican Council II are interpreted as being non hypothetical.Visible for them LG 16 ( invincile ignorance) and LG 14 ( baptism of desire) become a rupture with Feeneyite EENS and the ecclesiology of the 16th century.So Vatican Council II is a rupture with the past for them. It is the same for the bishop in Worcester.They have a common rupture with the ecclesiogy of Fr.Leonard Feeney and the St.Benedict Center of his times.
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Brother Thomas Augustine,micm, Prior at St. Benedict Still River does not deny this. He has compromised on theology.With a new theology, there are now known exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II to traditional outside the Church there is no salvation.For his community the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary outside the Church there is salvation.This is their theology. So there is a new doctrine for him. It is no more every one needs to enter the Church as members for salvation. It is only those who know i.e who are not in invincible ignorance(LG 16) who need to be Catholic to avoid Hell.It is every one needs to enter the Church for salvation except for those whom they know, who are saved with the baptism of desire(LG 14) etc.
This is a sell out since Thomas Augustine had a choice. He could have interpreted Vatican Council II with LG 16 and LG 16 referring to invisible people in our times. They are invisible obviously.Common sense tells us that they are a reference to hypothetical cases. Then for Brother Thomas Augustine there would have been no exceptions to the old theology i.e there is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church and all need to be members with no known exceptions, outside the Church there is no salvation. There  would be no change in the old salvation theology with Vatican Council II.The ecclesiology of the Church after Vatican Council II, with LG 16 etc referring to unknown people, would be the same as that of the 16th century missionaries and magisterium.
Possibly, Brother Andre Marie micm,Prior, at the St. Benedict Center Richmond,New Hampshire will accept canonical recognition with the same interpretation of Vatican Council II.For them too it would be visible for us baptism of desire.This 'does the trick'.You are as they say, 'in step with the Church'.The traditionalists would then affirm the interpretation of Vatican Council II and EENS according to Bishop Peter Anthony Libasci, the bishop of Manchester,USA.
Traditionalists have come in line. This is the theology and the new doctrines of FSSP priests who offer the Tridentine Rite Mass in Boston. One of them was here in Rome a few years back.He did not want to be quoted saying that the Catholic Church teaches that all Jews and Muslims need to formally enter the Church for salvation.
For the FSSP priests,  in general, every one does not need to enter the Church for salvation since invisible cases of the baptism of desire would be visible exceptions to Feeneyite EENS, this year.So they affirm a new EENS which has known exceptions of BOD and they make sure to say that they are not Feeneyites.They will not affirm the dogma EENS in which BOD cannot be an exception. For them it must always be EENS with visible for them BOD.Exceptions are obligatory.
This is the Lefebvrist understanding of EENS,like that of  sedevacantists Bishop Donald Sanborn and Fr. Anthony Cekada.They produce long lists of references to BOD and infer that these are known people saved outside the Church.Even though  the text no where says this.No pope or saint has said that BOD refers to visible in the flesh people, known people.Even the Council of Trent which is often cited does not state this.This has to be wrongly inferred. So they make the inference and then say they are not Feeneyites.
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The traditionalists at Una Voce and the Latin Mass Societies are not going to issue a correction and state that BOD refers to hypothetical cases only.They cannot do this since they need the recognition of Ecclesia Dei, the Popes and their local bishops.It is the same with the St. Benedict Centers.
So now with the St.Benedict Centers not willing to affirm invisible for us baptism of desire-  and there being no exceptions to the past ecclesiology  after Vatican Council II- who is left? Or rather who is not Left? Where are the Feeneyite religious communities? Even the trads have gone liberal.
Since the traditionalists  have gone liberal with known salvation outside the Church, Pope Francis can tomorrow use this new theology and doctrine, from Vatican Council II(with the premise),to spring upon us an ecumenical Mass. He has already issued a moto propro which tells us that there is not only salvation but sanctification outside the Church.He will officially name a saint who is not a formal member of the Church and will not be going to Hell.May be the Masons will suggest Luther's name.
Here in Rome at Mass in Italian the prayer intentions have gone wild  on ecumenism.Of course for all the priests there is visible for them baptism of desire. So there is the Anonymous Christian saved outside the Catholic Church.They repeat Cardinal Ratzinger's new theology ' all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church'.
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A Polish priest in Rome, was probably given instructions to strongly criticize Catholic Poland Praying the Rosary at the Borders.He went ahead with the denunciation. The Vatican and Vicariate theology does not allow any priest to say in a homily that the baptism of desire refers to invisible cases and so there are no known exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.This would mean that the Catholic Church still teaches that all Muslims and Jews are on the way to Hell unless they formally enter the Church with 'faith and baptism'(AG 7, LG 14).Even the Polish bishops with visible for us baptism of desire cannot say this.So with visible for us baptism of desire and known salvation outside the Church why would the Polish Catholics have to pray along their borders Rome could ask?
The St.Benedict Centers have stopped saying this years back.They do not say all Jews,Muslims and other Christians need to convert into the Church with no known exceptions. So now they have been formally recognised and approved by Bishop Robert J. McManus, the bishop of Worcester.
-Lionel Andrades

https://www.saintbenedict.com/theorder/sisters