Saturday, September 27, 2014

Without Cushingism, Vatican Council II is in agreement with the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

The topic extra ecclesiam nulla salus is discussed in the following articles:

Christianity

  • TITLE: Christianity
    SECTION: Contemporary views
    ...three main points of view. According to exclusivism, there is salvation only for Christians. This theology underlay much of the history outlined above, expressed both in the Roman Catholic dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (“outside the church no salvation”) and in the assumption of the 18th- and 19th-century Protestant missionary movements. The exclusivist outlook was eroded...
 
 
 
The dogma was defined by three Church Councils. It says all need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation and that non Catholics and non Christians are oriented to Hell unless they are formal members of the Catholic Church i.e unless they have Catholic Faith.
The dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church was questioned in the Fr.Leonard Feeney case when the Archbishop of Boston Cardinal Richard Cushing and the Holy Office 1949 inferred that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance were explicit exceptions to all needing to convert.
It is now being recognized in the Catholic Church that this was a factual error. Since we do not know any one, for example in 2014, who is saved with the baptism of desire etc. So how can cases which do not exist in our reality be exceptions to all needing faith and baptism for salvation.
This error is now known in the Catholic Church under the name Cushingism. It refers to something which is irrational, non traditional and heretical.
Cushingism is the common interpretation of Vatican Council II in which it is inferred that Lumen Gentium 16 ( those saved in invincible ignorance) are explicit exeptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The error is assuming that these deceased are visible on earth and then concluding that they are exceptions.
Without Cushingism, Vatican Council II is in agreement with the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.-Lionel Andrades

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/1317230/extra-ecclesiam-nulla-salus

The SSPX General Chapter Statement 2012 affirmed extra ecclesiam nulla salus with no exceptions. This is the Feeneyite position.Can the SSPX affirm Vatican Council II without the false premise?

Will the Vatican allow them to affirm the Feeneyite instead of the Cushingite version of Vatican Council II and also offer the Traditional Latin Mass ?
AnonymousTom said...
Regardless as to the claim that Rome and the Society have reached an agreement as to regularization, the following is certain:

The claim that more than a few Traditionalists have offered, namely that Pope Francis would "outlaw" the ancient Roman Mass, has been demolished.

1. The very fact that Rome and the Society had met last week demolished said claim.

2. The fact that Rome and the Society announced that discussions between the respective parties would continue demolished the claim in question.

Again, back to the beginning, if Rome and the Society have concluded a "deal", then the claim that Pope Francis would ban the ancient Roman Mass has proved absurd.

Either way, Pope Francis' supposed intention to outlaw the Traditional Roman Mass has been destroyed.

Pax.

Tom
September 26, 2014 
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BloggerLionel   said...


The Traditional Latin Mass with the ecclesiology of outside the Church there is no salvation, stands banned.Example Fischer More College etc.


The Traditional Latin Mass without the dogma extra ecclesiam null salus is not the TLM.

The SSPX General Chapter Statement 2012 affirmed extra ecclesiam nulla salus with no exceptions. This is the Feeneyite position.

The Vatican is using a false premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II. So the Council emerges as a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Can the SSPX affirm Vatican Council II without this false premise.

Will the Vatican allow them to affirm the Feeneyite instead of the Cushingite version of Vatican Council II and also offer the Traditional Latin Mass ?

Can a priest who offers the Novus Ordo Mass also affirm Vatican Council II without the irrational premise ?

The issue is still doctrine and not the Holy Mass.-Lionel Andrades
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Comment from:

Unfurl the Catholic Banner! Open Letter To SSPX Priests Re: Rome Meeting

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/09/unfurl-catholic-banner-open-letter-to.html



 
September 26, 2014

Rome will change when the SSPX realizes that Vatican Council II is Feeneyite

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/09/rome-will-change-when-sspx-realizes.html

SSPX announce that you accept the Feenyite version of Vatican Council II and ask Cardinal Muller to do the same

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/09/sspx-announce-that-you-accept-feenyite.html


Second Vatican Council II did not 'develop' extra ecclesiam nulla salus it affirmed the Feeneyite position -3
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/09/second-vatican-council-ii-did-not_49.html

SSPX announce that you accept the Feenyite version of Vatican Council II and ask Cardinal Muller to do the same

There can be only one rational interpretation of Vatican Council II.
Vatican Council II can be interpreted according to Feeneyism or Cushingism.
Cushingism is irrational, non traditional and heretical. It was not part of the Deposit of the Faith before 1949.
The Vatican is using Cushingism.
-Lionel Andrades
 
 
 
September 26, 2014

Rome will change when the SSPX realizes that Vatican Council II is Feeneyite

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/09/rome-will-change-when-sspx-realizes.html