Tuesday, June 16, 2015
Misinformation
Billboard in Nazareth
The billboard says 'and do not say : Three gods(trinity)' ...(Quran 4:171)
I am a Catholic and I do not believe in three gods but One God.
This is misinformation.
Even the Christians in the Midde East do not believe in three gods but One God.
There is a mistake in this book.
There is only One Creator for Christians.
In the Bible for Lebanese and Malaysian Christians the word 'Allah' is used for God.Italians use the word 'Signore'.It does not refer to three gods.
If this error was made in another book it would come under the political hate category.
-Lionel Andrades
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/06/muslim-persecution-of-christians.html
Michael Voris, Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary are unaware that nothing in Vatican Council II can be an exception to EENS
Michael Voris and the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, all of them, are not aware that there cannot be any exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), we cannot see or know an exception. So nothing in Vatican Council II can be an exception to the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
Here is an interview of Brother Andre Marie MICM, also of the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, the community in Richmond N.H. He will not say that Vatican Council II , for him, is Feeneyite, it affirms the rigorist interpretation of the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
Christine Niles interviews Brother Andre Marie MICM : is Vatican Council II Feeneyite ?
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/06/christ
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/06/christ
For Brother Andre Marie MICM, Prior at the Richmond N.H community and the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, Still River ( see picture) there are known exceptions to the dogma in Vatican Council II. For them all being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are known exceptions to the dogma.So Lumen Gentium 16 etc are exceptions to the Feeneyite version of the dogma. So Vatican Council II is a break with Tradition and in particular the dogma on outside the Church there is no exception.
In other words these cases are explicit to be exceptions, in the present times, to all needing to convert into the Church; all needing to be formal members of the Catholic Church to avoid Hell. They infer that people who are in Heaven and who can only be known to God are known also to us in June 2015 to become visible cases of persons saved without Catholic Faith and the baptism of water.
Where are they ? What are their names and surnames ? Can we meet them on the streets?
Brother Thomas Augustine the Prior at the Still River community a few years back rejected Vatican Council II when I communicated with him via the Internet. For him too, like Brother Andre Marie, there are exceptions in the Council to the dogma.
This is the position of Michael Voris and Bishop Athanasius Schnieider and Cardinal Raymond Burke, all Cushingites. They use irrational Marchettiism to intepret Vatican Council II and then blame the Council.They are unaware that their pro-Left position is the result of a false premise and inference they mis-use in the interpretation.
-Lionel Andrades
In other words these cases are explicit to be exceptions, in the present times, to all needing to convert into the Church; all needing to be formal members of the Catholic Church to avoid Hell. They infer that people who are in Heaven and who can only be known to God are known also to us in June 2015 to become visible cases of persons saved without Catholic Faith and the baptism of water.
Where are they ? What are their names and surnames ? Can we meet them on the streets?
Brother Thomas Augustine the Prior at the Still River community a few years back rejected Vatican Council II when I communicated with him via the Internet. For him too, like Brother Andre Marie, there are exceptions in the Council to the dogma.
This is the position of Michael Voris and Bishop Athanasius Schnieider and Cardinal Raymond Burke, all Cushingites. They use irrational Marchettiism to intepret Vatican Council II and then blame the Council.They are unaware that their pro-Left position is the result of a false premise and inference they mis-use in the interpretation.
-Lionel Andrades
https://www.facebook.com/michael.voris.7/posts/721595227923245
The point is that there cannot be any exceptions to EENS: We cannot see or know an exception. So nothing in V2 can be an exception
@AndradesLionel Help me understand: Yes or no? Do you claim V2 actually upholds "rigorist" EENS, thus MICM assents to V2 on wrong terms?
@radtrad Do you claim V2 actualy upholds "rigorist" EENS ? YES!
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@AndradesLionel Hmm, I didn't think Marchetti or Cushing colored their reading of V2. MICM seems to discount doctrinal authority of either.
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@radtrad MICM rejects Marchetti's inference with reference to the dogma but use it in the interpretation of V2.
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@radtrad The issue is identifying the Marchetti objective error.Even Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Michael Davis etc were not aware of it.
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@AndradesLionel I take you to mean that MICM opposes V2 because they, like post-V2 Popes, interpret V2 through a faulty premise, correct?
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@radtrad I take you to mean that MICM opposes V2 because they, like post-V2 Popes, interpret V2 through a faulty premise, correct? Yes!
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@radtrad YES. Here is Brother Andre Marie MICM confiming what I have said.
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@radtrad Christine Niles interviews Brother Andre Marie MICM : is Vatican Council II Feeneyite ?eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/06/christ…
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@AndradesLionel Perhaps his views are closer to yours than not & V2 poses difficulties beside its conveyance of EENS? I can't speak for him.
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@radtrad The point is that there cannot be any exceptions to EENS: We cannot see or know an exception. So nothing in V2 can be an exception.
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@AndradesLionel Much of our religion consists of the unseen. The invisibility of the proposed activity does not itself free us from assent.
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@radtrad The dogma says all need to convert. All need to be formal members of the Church. Where are the exceptions today? Can there be one?
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@AndradesLionel Current cases of Invincible Ignorance? Perhaps some isolated tribe in S. America only in contact with wacky anthropologists.
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@radtrad How can that tribe be an exception to the dogma? You do not know if they will be saved in invincible ignorance. Can you judge?
- Lionel Andrades
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The last letter of Aftab, an innocent Pakistani Catholic who was hanged
The last letter of Aftab, an innocent Pakistani
Catholic who was hangedby Aftab Bahadur
Masih
Sentenced to death in 1992 when he was 15 for a multiple murder he did not commit, Aftab was hanged at dawn this morning, this despite appeals by the Catholic Church and human rights activists. In his last letter, he writes, “I am innocent, but I do not know whether that will make any difference. [. . .] I wish that Pakistani people could possess a sense of nationality that overrode their sectarianism.”
Lahore (AsiaNews) - At 4:30 am (local time), the authorities in Kot
Lakhpat Jail in Lahore hanged Aftab Bahadur Masih, a Catholic man who was
unjustly convicted in a triple murder case when he was 15. Recent pleas by the
Catholic Church and human rights activists proved hopeless. Sentenced to death in 1992 when he was 15 for a multiple murder he did not commit, Aftab was hanged at dawn this morning, this despite appeals by the Catholic Church and human rights activists. In his last letter, he writes, “I am innocent, but I do not know whether that will make any difference. [. . .] I wish that Pakistani people could possess a sense of nationality that overrode their sectarianism.”
Mgr Joseph Coutts, bishop of Karachi and president of the Catholic Bishops' Conference of Pakistan, wrote a letter to President Himari Hussain, asking for a stay of execution to start fresh investigations.
Aftab was sentenced to death on 5 September 1992 for the murder of Sabiha Bari and her two sons. The following day, Ghulam Mustafa, a plumber for whom he worked as an apprentice, was arrested for complicity and tortured by police to implicate Aftab in the murder.
Only recently, the plumber admitted that Aftab Bahadur had nothing to do with the crime, and that he was only an eyewitness. He also signed an affidavit before a religious leader, stating that he had lied.
Aftab has always claimed his innocence. Over the years, he said that when he was arrested, police asked for 50,000 rupees (US$ 5,000) to let him go. As a young apprentice, he could not pay.
Last year, the Prime Minister of Pakistan, Nawaz Sharif, lifted the country’s moratorium on the death penalty, a day after the Taliban attacked a military school in Peshawar killing 134 students and 19 adults.
Shortly before his execution, Aftab Bahadur Masih wrote a last letter in which he expressed his feelings. Here it is.
"I just received my black warrant. It says I will be hanged by the neck until
dead on Wednesday, June 10. I am innocent, but I do not know whether that will
make any difference.
During the last 22 years of my imprisonment, I have received death warrants
many times. It is strange, but I cannot even tell you how many times I have been
told that I am about to die.
Obviously, it feels bad whenever the warrants are issued. I start to count
down the days, which is in itself painful, and I find that my nerves are
shackled in the same way as my body.
In truth, I die many times before my death. I suppose my life experience is
different from that of most people, but I doubt there is anything more dreadful
than being told that you are going to die, and then sitting in a prison cell
just waiting for that moment.
For many years – since I was just 15 years old – I have been stranded between
life and death. It has been a complete limbo, total uncertainty about the
future.
I am a Christian, and sometimes that is difficult here. Unfortunately, there
is one prisoner in particular who has tried to make our lives more difficult. I
don't know why he does it.
I got very upset over the Christian bombings that took place in Peshawar.
This hurt me deeply, and I wish that Pakistani people could possess a sense of
nationality that overrode their sectarianism. There is a small group of us here
who are Christians, just four or five, and we are now all in one cell, which has
improved my life.
I do everything I can to escape my misery. I am an art lover. I was an artist
– just an ordinary one – from my early days, when I was first conscious of
anything.
Even back then, I was inclined towards painting, as well as writing verses.
Although I had no training, it was just a gift of God. But after I was brought
to jail I had no other way to express my feelings, as I was then in a state of
complete alienation and loneliness.
I began some time ago to paint all the signs for the Kot Lakhpat jail, where
I am held. Then I was asked to do signs for other jails. Nothing in this world
can give me more happiness than the feeling when I paint some idea, or feeling
on the canvas. It is my life, so I am happy to do it. My workload is great, and
I am exhausted at the end of each day, but I am glad of that, as it keeps my
mind off other things.
I have no family to visit me, so when someone does come, it is a wonderful
experience. It allows me to reap ideas from the outside world that I can then
lay down on my canvas. Being asked about how I was tortured by the police
brought back terrible memories that I turned into pictures, though it would
perhaps have been better not to have to think of what the police did to try to
get me to confess falsely to this crime.
When we heard the news about lifting the death penalty moratorium in December
2014, fear prevailed throughout the cells of the prison here. There was an
overriding sense of horror. The atmosphere hung, gloomy, over us all. But then
the executions actually started at Kot Lakhpat Jail, and everyone started to go
through mental torture. Those who were being hanged had been our companions for
many years on this road to death, and it is only natural that their deaths left
us in a state of despair.
While the death penalty moratorium was ended on the pretext of killing
terrorists, most of the people here in Kot Lakhpat are charged with regular
crimes. Quite how killing them is going to stop the sectarian violence in this
country, I cannot say.
I hope I do not die on Wednesday, but I have no source of money, so I can
only rely on God and on my volunteer lawyers. I have not given up hope, though
the night is very dark.
(Jibran Khan contributed to this article)
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/The-last-letter-of-Aftab,-an-innocent-Pakistani-Catholic-who-was-hanged-34475.html
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