Wednesday, December 6, 2017

Charles Coulombe, Brother Andre Marie MICM and Brother Thomas Augustine MICM have been discussing the baptism of desire with reference to justification and salvation when there are no physically visible cases.


Charles Coulombe, Brother Andre Marie MICM and Brother Thomas Augustine MICM have been discussing the baptism of desire with reference to justification and salvation when there are no physically visible cases.They do not state that the   baptism of desire is not visible like the baptism of water and there are no known cases of the baptism of desire in our reality. So the baptism of desire is not relevant or an exception to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS.
Sedevacantists Peter Dimond1 and Steven Speray 2 have written books on the baptism of desire while not mentioning that there are no seen in the flesh cases of the baptism of desire.We cannot see or meet someone saved with the baptism of desire.
There are also videos 3 discussing the baptism of desire and no one states that for the baptism of desire to be relevant or an exception to EENS as it was interpreted by the popes and saints there would have to be a known case.Invisible cases of the baptism of desire cannot be visible examples of salvation outside the Church.
Similarly Charles Coulombe discusses the baptism of desire on the video 4 and does not state that we do not know the name and surname of someone saved with the baptism of desire in the present times.Also no one could have seen someone in the past, in Heaven, saved with the baptism of desire,with or without the baptism of water.
Such an important point is left out in these discussions, in which every one is going in circles.They do not realize that it is the magisterium which has made the mistake and are keeping quiet on this subject since it changes the interpretation of Vatican Council II.
Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre mistook the baptism of desire as being a known exception to Feeneyite EENS and Cardinal Burke makes the same mistake today.The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 with this error has been placed in the Denzinger.It is part of the 'magisterial teachings' I suppose just like the Buenos Aires Letter in the Acta Apostolica Sedis.In both cases we humans cannot know exceptions to the rule for faith (exclusive salvation) and morals(mortal sin).Theoretically we can postulate but in reality there are no known cases.
Christine Niles made this mistake in a Mic'd up program a few years back on the subject of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. She also interviewed Charles Coulombe on that program.
There are no baptism of desire cases in our reality and they are all discussing the baptism of desire with for and against positions.Theoretically they speculate and theologically they pro or contra.
When I point out to the traditionalists and sedevacantists there are no baptism of desire cases they either ban me or block me on their forums and websites.
Sedevacantists Bishop Donald Sanborn and Fr.Anthony Cekada have articles on line criticizing Feeneyite EENS and citing the baptism of desire as an exception. It is the same on the official website of the SSPX. The SSPX has been selling Fr. Francois Lasiney's book, Is Feeneyism Catholic? in which he assumed there are physically known cases of the baptism of desire.Otherwise how could the baptism of desire be an exception to Feeneyite EENS for him?
So it is no surprise that all of them reject Vatican Council II since Lumen Gentium 14( case of the catechumen) and Lumen Gentium 16( case of salvation in invincible ignorance) are not hypothetical cases for them as it is for me. LG 14 and LG 16 refer to known people, for them, saved outside the Church.
It is the same for Pope Benedict and he expressed it last March 2016 in the interview in Avvenire.He said that since there is salvation outside the Church.....
-Lionel Andrades



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http://www.mhfm1store.com/booucachthis.html

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https://stevensperay.wordpress.com/category/baptism-of-desire-and-blood/page/2/

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 DECEMBER 6, 2017


Charles Coulombe discusses the baptism of desire as if there are known cases in our reality

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/charles-coulombe-discusses-baptism-of.html



DECEMBER 6, 2017



Charles Coulombe could have said that there are no physically visible cases of the baptism of desire

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/charles-coulombe-could-have-said-that.html

Charles Coulombe discusses the baptism of desire as if there are known cases in our reality.

Charles Coulombe discusses the case of the catechumen on the way to be baptised when this is an unknown person.(16:30).'The baptism of desire- the people must believe that God is out to lunch....' the discussion infers that there are known cases of the baptism of desire who are saved in a way we humans know how.
(18:10) 'this is what people call explicit baptism of desire... '.Trent says that we must be justified with baptism or the ...vow therof..
The Council of Trent refers to the desire thereof but it does not state that it is an exception to the traditional interpretation of the dogma EENS, this is inferred by readers.It does not state that this desire thereof is known in personal cases but this is wrongly inferred by people.
So the inference is made by Charles Coulombe and then he discusses the subject without stating that there are no known cases of the baptism of desire, there are no phyiscally visible people saved outside the Church.
(19:18) 'which takes us right back to Aquinas.'
Again St. Thomas Aquinas is referring to a hypothetical case and not someone known in particular who is saved as such.This needed to be clarfied in the video.Otherwise it is a discussion of a theoretical subject and then projecting it as an objective person known to be saved as such.
There are no baptism of desire cases  known to us,in real life, it needs to be said.Then it is possible to re-interpret extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and also Vatican Council II.
(19:32) 'the catechumen who was hit by a truck and was in a state of justification' is a hypothetical scenario. There is no one whom we can see in Heaven saved as such.So the baptism of desire should never have been discussed with reference to EENS or it should have been stated that this is a speculative discussion with no bearing on Feeneyite EENS.

ARCHBISHOP MARCEL LEFEBVRE AND FR.RAHNER
Charles Coulombe is correct the position of Archbishop Lefebvre and Fr. Karl Rahner are the same on this issue. They both assumed hypothetical and physically invisible cases of the baptism of desire were visible and known people saved outside the Church.
(25:21) 'Implicit baptism of desire' again would only be known to God. So it is not an exception to Feeneyite EENS.-Lionel Andrades






DECEMBER 6, 2017

Charles Coulombe could have said that there are no physically visible cases of the baptism of desire

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/charles-coulombe-could-have-said-that.html


Charles Coulombe could have said that there are no physically visible cases of the baptism of desire


Charles Coulombe theologically says that there is no baptism of desire but he could simply just say that there are no physically known cases of the baptism of desire in our reality.There is no known case of someone saved outside the Church. Physically we cannot see a person saved outside the Church as Pope Benedict XVI suggested we could in March 2016.Theoretically we can speculate on the baptism of desire but in real life there are none.
He does not even mention this in the video.(6:20) Fr.Leonard Feeney was not teaching heresy since there are  no visible cases of the baptism of desire.It does not exist in our reality for it to be relevant or an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
Charles Coulombe wrote a book on the baptism of desire but did not know that there are no physical cases ? Without physical cases there can be no exceptions to EENS.
(10.22) Fr.Leonard Feeney was not asked to recant since the Holy Office 1949 and the archbishop of Boston Richard Cushing had made the error.They presumed that there were physically visible cases of the baptism of desire, as if they could meet and shake hands with someone saved outside the Church.

He was silenced but not answered since the Magisterium had no answer.The Magisterium had made a mistake.-Lionel Andrades

The Truth about Fr. Feeney (SPECIAL UNCUT EDITION)

I reiterate my Catholic religious beliefs




Let me reiterate that I believe in all the teachings of the Catholic Church. I affirm Vatican Council II(premise- free) in harmony with Tradition.I reject the common Vatican Council II(Cushingite) since it is irrational,non traditional and heretical.It is a rupture with extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS Feeneyite).I affirm EENS( Feeneyite)according to the missionaries and magisterium of the 16th century.I reject EENS(Cushingite) which is irrational, non traditional.It is magisterial for the present magisterium.
I affirm the catechisms,  including the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1994).I interpret it with Feeneyite theology i.e hypothetical cases are references to only hypothetical cases.They are not objectivly seen people , known in 2017 for example.
So in the Catechism(1994), for me, there are no references to  physically visible people saved outside the Church.
I do not reject  Vatican Council II like the traditionalists. I repeat,I reject Vatican Council II ( with the premise)and affirm Vatican Council II( without the premise).
I do not interpret  Vatican Council II like the liberals and the magisterium.For them the Council is always Cushingite.They repeat the error of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 so the Council emerges ambiguous.
I cannot be bracketed with the traditionalists SSPX and nor with the sedevacantists (CMRI,MHFM etc).They too are Cushingites in their theology.They use the same new theology of the liberals.It is based on invisible baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) being visible exceptions to EENS(Feeneyite).
I avoid this.So there is the difference between them and me -and just about every body else.



 
I do not know of anyone else who in public is affirming Feeneyite Vatican Council II and Feeneyite EENS.
I avoid the Ratzinger-Rahner error of assuming that there are physically seen non Catholics, saved outside the Church.This contradicts the Principle of Non Contradiction for me.Possibilities of BOD,BOB and I.I are not explicit for me and so they are not exceptions to EENS.
If someone is saved outside the Catholic Church we humans would not be able to see him physically.We would not know him in real life. When he is not known in actual physical cases, how can he be an exception to Feeneyite EENS ? How can possibilities be living exceptions to all needing to enter the Church in 2017 with faith and baptism for salvation? How could there be an Anonymous Christian saved when there are no visible and nameable cases in our reality ? So we humans cannot know of an exception to EENS. If the Church announces a saint in faith we accept it.However the Church cannot announce someone being an exception to EENS implying that there is a known case of someone saved without faith and baptism.Even if this was possible theoretically, practically no one on earth could have seen this person in Heaven.This is a common error in reasoning which has emerged in the Church.It was supported by Ratzinger, Rahner and the other liberal theologians.Now Pope Francis will not only judge and announce saints who are not Catholics , according to his recent motu proprio, but he has also placed in the Acta Apostolica Sedis the letter he wrote to an Argentianian couple.He indicates that he and others can judge that this divorced and remarried couple are not going to Hell at the time of death and that they possibly have Sanctifying Grace today and so can also be given the Eucharist at Holy Mass.
Similarly he judges that there are known exceptions to Feeneyite EENS and Vatican Council II when, the exceptions, if they existed, can only be known to God.This same false principle is being used today to mass produce marriage annulments.
The present magisterium is a rupture with the past Magisterium. It negates the Holy Spirit.With the visible for us BOD, BOB and I.I premise it has rejected the past ecclesiology and changed the teachings on ecumenism, no salvation for non Christians, traditional mission etc.
I am in harmony with the past Magisterium without rejecting Vatican Council II.
The SSPX would be in harmony with the past Magisterium, when they correctly continue to reject Vatican Council II ( Cushingite) but unfortunately Bishop Bernard Fellay does not affirm Vatican Council II( Feeneyite) like me.He does not also affirm the SSPX General Chapter Statement 2012.The same mistake is made by the traditionalists CMRI,MHFM etc.
So for me all non Catholics are on the way to Hell without 'faith and baptism'(Ad Gentes 7), in the Catholic Church.This is Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7, Lumen Gentium 14) and it is not just a private opinion.This is also the de fide traditional teaching  of the Church guided by the Holy Spirit.It is the authentic Magisterium of the Church which does not change.
In 2017 the majority of people are on the way to Hell since they die without faith and baptism in the Catholic Church.Catholics are the new people of God, they are the new chosen people (Nostra Aetate 4).The Church is the continuation of the Jewish religion.There are only Catholics in Heaven.If theoretically a person is saved in another religion he would be a Catholic in Heaven.
To go to Heaven everyone needs to be a member of the Church, every one needs to have his name on the Parish Baptismal Register.This has been the teachings of the popes and saints and it is repeated in Vatican Council II(AG 7).-Lionel Andrades
 
December 4, 2017





http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/cardinal-ratzinger-made-objective.html
 
December 4, 2017
Be aware of the crude interpretation of Vatican Council II done by Christopher Ferrara, Roberto dei Mattei, Atila Guimares and others
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/be-aware-of-crude-interpretation-of.html
 
 
December 4, 2017
Repost :Social Reign of Christ the King can be seen based on Cushingite or Feeneyite theology, Vatican Council II with the false premise or without it.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/repost-social-reign-of-christ-king-can.html
 
 
December 4, 2017
Vatican has no objections
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/vatican-has-no-objections.html
 
 
December 3, 2017
Repost : No denial from Cardinal Ladaria, CDF : schism from the Left over Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/repost-no-denial-from-cardinal-ladaria.html
 
 December 1, 2017
The lex orandi lex credendi of Catholics today is based on irrational Cushingite theology.The Feeneyite alternative is ignored by all
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/the-lex-orandi-lex-credendi-of_1.html

December 1, 2017
The error is not permanent and Pope Francis and can correct it.No change in the text of Vatican Council II is required
 
 TERMS EXPLAINED
Feeneyism: It is the old theology and philosophical reaoning which says there are no known exceptions past or present, to the dogma EENS.There are no explicit cases to contradict the traditional interpretation of EENS.
Cushingism: It is the new theology and philosophical reasoning, which assumes there are known exceptions, past and present, to the dogma EENS, on the need for all to formally enter the Church.It assumes that the baptism of desire etc are not hypothetical but objectively known.In principle hypothetical cases are objective in the present times.
Baptism of Desire (Feeneyite): It refers to the hypothetical case of an unknown catechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is saved. Since this is an invisible case in our reality it is not relevant to the dogma EENS.
Baptism of Desire (Cushingite): It refers to the known case of a catechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is saved. Since this is a visible case or the SSPX it is relevant to the dogma EENS.
Invincible Ignorance ( Feeneyite): This refers to the hypothetical case of someone allegedly saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church, since he was in ignorance.
Invincible Ignorance (Cushingite): This refers to the explicit case of someone allegedly saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church, since he was in ignorance.Since it is an exception to the dogma EENS it is assumed to be objectively known in particular cases.This reasoning is irrational.
Council of Florence: One of the three Councils which defined the dogma EENS.It did not mention any exceptions.It did not mention the baptism of desire. It was Feeneyite.
Liberal theologians: They reinterpreted the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance, as objective cases, known in the present times.They use Cushingism.
Vatican Council II (Cushingite): It refers to the interpretation of Vatican Council II withCushingism.LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer not to hypothetical but known cases in the present times. So Vatican Council II emerges as a break with the dogma EENS.
Vatican Council II (Feeneyite): It refers to the interpretation of Vatican Council II withFeeneyism.LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to hypothetical cases, which are unknown personally in the present times.So Vatican Council II is not a break with EENS, the Syllabus of Errors, ecumenism of return, the Nicene Creed ( Feeneyite-one baptism),the teaching on the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation and the non separation of Church and State( since all need to convert into the Church to avoid Hell).
Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston: It assumed hypothetical cases were defacto known in the present times. So it presented the baptism of desire etc as an explicit exception, to the traditional interpretation of the dogma EENS.It censured Fr.Leonard Feeney and the St.Benedict Center.Since they did not assume that the baptism of desire referred to a visible instead of invisible case.The Letter made the baptism of desire etc relevant to EENs.From the second part of this Letter has emerged the New Theology.It was Cushingite.
Letter of the Holy Office 1949 ( Feeneyite). It means accepting the Letter as Feeneyite based on the first part,only .It supports Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.The traditional interpretatiion of the dogma EENS does not mention any exceptions.
Letter of the Holy Office ( Cushingite). It is based on the second part of the Letter.It rejects the traditional interpretation of EENS. Since it considers the baptism of desire ( Cushingite-explicit) and being saved in invincible ignorance ( Cushingite-explicit cases) as being exceptions to EENS ( Feeneyite).It worngly assumes hypothetical cases are objectively visible and so they are exceptions to the first part of the Letter.
Baltimore Catechism: It assumed that the desire for the baptism of an unknown catechumen, who dies before receiving it and was saved, was a baptism like the baptism of water. So it was placed in the Baptism Section of the catechism. In other words it was wrongly assumed that the baptism of desire is visible and repeatable like the baptism of water or that we can administer it like the baptism of water.The Baltimore Catechism is accepted with the confusion.It can be interpreted with Cushingism or Feeneyism.
Catechism of Pope X: It followed the Baltimore Catechism and placed the baptism of desire in the Baptism Section.It can be interpreted withCushingism or Feeneyism.
Nicene Creed ( Cushingite) ; It says 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins' and means there are more than three known baptisms. They are water, blood, desire, seeds of the Word etc.This is a Cushingite interpretation.
Nicene Creed ( Feeneyite): It says 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins and means there is one known baptism the baptism of water.It is Feeneyite.
New Theology: It refers to the new theology in the Catholic Church based on hypothetical cases being objective in the present times.So it eliminates the dogma EENS.With the dogma EENS made obsolete the ecclesiology of the Church changes. There is a new ecclesiology which is a break with Tradition.It's basis is Cushingism.
Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus ( Cushingite): .It refers to the dogma but with exceptions.All do not need to defacto convert into the Church in the present times, since there are exceptions.
Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus ( Feeneyite): It refers to the dogma as it was interpreted over the centuries.There are no known exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Church, with faith and baptism, to avoid Hell.
Catechism of the Catholic Church ( Cushingite): CCC 1257 contradicts the Principle of Non Contraduction. Also CCC 848 is based on the new theology and so is a rupture with the dogma EENS( Feeneyite).
Catechism of the Catholic Church ( Feeneyite): CCC 1257 does not contradict the Principle of Non Contradiction since there are no known exceptions to all needing the baptism of water for salvation. There are no known exceptions, since God is not limited to the Sacraments.
When CCC 846 states all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church,CCC 846 does not contradict the dogmatic teaching on all needin to formally enter the Church. CCC 846 does not contradict Ad Gentes 7 which states all need faith and baptism for salvatioon.

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