Wednesday, January 17, 2018

I am affirming the Catholic faith.It is the same for me before and after Vatican Council II.

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If you read Vatican docs carefully you would realize that no one can be saved except through the Catholic Church.  The Church is God’s instrument for salvation (see CCC 846). Those saved under a Baptism of desire or blood (see CCC 1258-1259) are saved by the Church as are any Baptized persons who are ignorant of the true Church, but are pursuing God to the best of their ability.  See Lumen Gentium 16 or CCC 1281.

By the way when the letter you cite was published in 1953 there was no massive outcry of heresy.  Apparently you know more than the bishops of the Church. You seem to be suffering from what might be charitably called a superiority complex.  Leave to God the things that are God’s including judgment and remember that the Church was given the authority to bind and to loose by our Blessed Lord!

Reply to Comment by Lionel

If you read Vatican docs carefully you would realize that no one can be saved except through the Catholic Church.  The Church is God’s instrument for salvation (see CCC 846). Those saved under a Baptism of desire or blood (see CCC 1258-1259) are saved by the Church as are any Baptized persons who are ignorant of the true Church, but are pursuing God to the best of their ability.  See Lumen Gentium 16 or CCC 1281.

Lionel: Agreed. I accept this. It is a reference to hypothetical cases. So I do not place it in opposition to the traditional, 'strict' interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
When hypothetical cases are assumed to be non hypothetical and  people personally known, who are saved outside the Church I call it Cushingism.
When hypothetical cases are assumed to be just hypothetical and not personally known people saved outside the Church I call it Feeneyism.
So there can be a Cushingite or Feeneyite interpretation of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. I do not have a problem with the Catechism(1994) since CCC 1257 and 846 do not contradict the dogma EENS, for me.
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By the way when the letter you cite was published in 1953 there was no massive outcry of heresy.

Lionel: That was about the time the state of Israel received its independence.
During the controversy over the Revised Good Friday Prayer for the Conversion of the Jews, Pope Benedict inferred, that Jews do not have to convert in the present times. There was no outcry from Catholics due to ignorance, or some other reason.
I could give  you other recent examples too.
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  Apparently you know more than the bishops of the Church.

Lionel: I am saying that there are no visible cases of the baptism of desire(BOD),baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) in 2018. That's all. Surely 
you agree with me here. May be the bishops too would agree with me.
I love Vatican Council II. I support Vatican Council II.
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 You seem to be suffering from what might be charitably called a superiority complex. 



Lionel: I am affirming the Catholic faith.It is the same for me before and after Vatican Council II.
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 Leave to God the things that are God’s including judgment and remember that the Church was given the authority to bind and to loose by our Blessed Lord!

Lionel: The Church tells us that all non Catholics are on the way to Hell. It is the Holy Spirit which guides the Church. This is not a personal view or personal judgement.
-Lionel Andrades

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