Wednesday, January 24, 2018

Ann Barnhardt still uses Cushingite theology like the other traditionalists

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Starting Wednesday Off Right: Baptism of Desire Edition by Ann Barnhardt


Ann Barnhardt:
So, what do you think?  St. Emerentiana had not yet been baptized.  Was she saved?  The Church says, “Yes!” St. Emerentiana is, in fact, a virgin martyr.  She is an example of what is called The Baptism of Desire, and also in this case because she was murdered for her faith, Baptism of Blood.  She had the faith.  She loved Our Lord and His Holy Catholic Church.  She was actively in the process of being catechized so that she could receive the Sacraments of Initiation.  She wasn’t just a “nice person” who nebulously “tried to live a good life”. She was specifically in the process of entering The One True Church.  And since Our Lord is a Person, and not an impersonal legal code or philosophy, and since Our Lord is not a jerk, and is not limited by His Own Sacraments, He can do what He wants, which is ALWAYS perfectly JUST and MERCIFUL.
Lionel: The possibility of someone being saved with the baptism of desire is not being denied by this Feeneyite, Lionel Andrades.There are many reports on this blog to confirm it.One does not have to be a Feeneyite to deny the baptism of desire.I affirm the baptism of desire (implicit ) and the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS, the Feeneyite version.It does not have to be an either-or issue. For Ann it is either the baptism of desire or extra ecclesiam nulla salus .She infers that the baptism of desire refers to known people saved without the baptism of water.Otherwise how would it be relevant to Feeneyite EENS?

There are no known cases of the baptism of desire for me. I cannot meet any one saved as such. No one saw St.Emerentiana physically saved. So if there are no physically visible or known cases, then there are no exceptions to Feeneyite EENS. There are no examples of salvation outside the Church. This is the point Ann Barnhardt will not address.Why? I don't know.
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Now, there is a heresy floating around that was invented by a priest in the 20th century, a Fr. Leonard Feeney, who fell under the influence of… wait for it… a woman, that is called “Feeneyism”.
Lionel: He was only repeating what the Church Councils taught about no salvation outside the Church. They did not suggest like Ann, that invisible cases of the baptism of desire are visible exceptions to EENS.This would be irrational.

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  Nearly all Trad Catholic bloggers are spammed by, and often times calumniated by a very sad man who is a Feeneyite heretic.  I suspect that this chap, who I will not name, because that would just be throwing gas on the flames of his disorder, is not quite altogether mentally right, as he is completely obsessed with the Feeneyite heresy, and seems to suffer from a total lack of self-awareness and delusions of grandeur.  One of the symptoms of these mental disorders that I have noticed over the years of my internet notoriety, such as it is, from what might be called low-grade Asperger’s all the way up to full-blown paranoid schizophrenia, is that the people in question are utterly convinced that the entire universe is hanging on their every word.  It never occurs to them that the reason no one responds to them is because no one is paying attention.  It never occurs to them that people simply block them, send their emails to the spam folder or to auto-delete, and that they are being ignored.  Again, this is another negative aspect of the internet – it feeds and amplifies not only narcissism, but also mental illness.
Lionel:This low grade Asperger has been using his time and energy to make Ann see that hypothetical cases of the baptism of desire cannot be visible exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in the time of St. Emerentiana, St. Victor, in 1949 when the Letter of the Holy Office  was issued and at Vatican Council II(1965).So there can be two interpretations of Vatican Council II and hers is the irrational one.
But this is a tough one. It doesn't get through.
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The heresy of Feeneyism revolves around the doctrine of Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus (EENS), which means, “Outside The Church There Is No Salvation”.
Lionel: Later in this post Ann will say that she believes there is no salvation outside the Church and yet for her the baptism of desire is relevant to EENS and is an exception.
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  Feeneyites argue, very unsuccessfully, that God Almighty is, in fact, limited by His Own Sacraments, and that it is completely impossible for someone who never received Water Baptism to be saved.  So what do Feeneyites say about not just St. Emerentiana, but the other saints that The Church has lifted to the altar? namely, Saints Victor, Rhais and Hericlides, who were all catechumens, and even an unnamed soldier in England during the reign of Diocletian who was converted by St. Alban as the soldier was escorting St. Alban to his execution.  The soldier was thus executed with St. Alban, and The Church thus holds this soldier, St. Alban’s companion, as having been Baptized By Blood.
Lionel : They can be accepted in faith, with good will as speculation.Physically no one could have seen them in Heaven without the baptism of water in the Catholic.
A possibility, speculation, cannot be an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in 2018.
So assuming these people named are in Heaven there is no way of saying this has anything to do with the dogma EENS in 2018. We cannot say that there were 20 cases of the baptism of desire this year without the baptism of water or there were three last year. So they cannot be exceptions to EENS.
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The Feeneyites tend to stare at their shoes, and then mumble something about these people being “baptized by the angels”. 
Lionel: Even if they are baptized by the angels and are saved they are unknown to us earth. They are 'zero cases'. How can zero cases be exceptions or relevant to EENs?
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 Well, we can see where this leads.  If the angels come down and baptize with water, then why don’t the angels baptize babies that are about to be murdered by abortion?  And if the angels DO preternaturally baptize babies with water, then why, exactly shouldn’t a woman murder her own child – after all, if the angels swoop down and “baptize” the child, the child goes instantly to heaven, right?  So, yeah, the heresy of Feeneyism leads very quickly to abortion being the greatest act of love and mercy a woman can do for her child.  Murder the child and guarantee it heaven.  Because, folks, ALL HERESIES, BECAUSE THEY ARE BASED ON A FALSE BASE PREMISE, INEVITABLY LEAD TO TOTAL INVERSION. Some heresies only take one or two logical steps to end up at child murder or the like, while some are more subtle and take a few more logical steps, but they ALL end up in hell.  There is only One Truth, and this is why Our Lord said, “Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it!”
If you would like to read more about the doctrine of Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus, which is so critical, and which is openly denied today by Antipope Bergoglio and the rest of the Freemasonic infiltrators of The Church, I wrote a piece a while back that tries to explain it a bit
Lionel: I wrote a comment on this piece of hers and even posted it on Gloria TV to get her attention but obviously it was not understood.The false premise is still being used by Ann Barnhardt.This is a rupture between faith and reason.It violates the Principle of Non Contradiction.
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 In contemporary parlance, the denial of EENS is called the heresy of “Universalism” and “Indifferentism”.
Lionel: It is denied when she suggests that the baptism of desire refers to known cases and so is an exception to EENS.
It is denied when she interprets Vatican Council II with LG 16 etc as referring to known people saved outside the Church( even when there are no such cases known to her) and so Vatican Council II because a rupture with Tradition, with EENS and the Syllabus of Errors.
It is denied by her ....
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  Long story short, of course there is no salvation outside The Church. 
Lionel: LOL
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 Heaven is The Church Triumphant, that is all the angels and saints INDWELLING inside The Triune Godhead, eternally adoring God “from the inside”, offering the endless Sacrifice of Praise and Thanksgiving.  There is no domain of heaven outside of this.  There is certainly no “Hindu heaven” or “Buddhist heaven” or “Protestant heaven” or “atheist heaven”.  Everyone in heaven is Catholic, because the Catholic Church, Triumphant, is The Father’s House of Many Mansions.
Lionel: But if St.Emerentiana was saved without the baptism of water and with the baptism of desire then it means that this is possible for others too.
So a Muslim could also be saved with the baptism of desire or invincible ignorance and so there is known salvation outside the Church for non Catholics too? This is the reasoning of Bishop Robert Barror. It is the logical outcome of Ann Barnhardt's Cushingite theology.
So a Hindu  does not need to convert.There is also the Anonymous Christian of Karl Rahner and the Catechism of Cardinal Ratzinger(1994) indicates all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church(CCC 846).So how can Ann still say, like me, that there is no salvation outside the Church. Cushingite theology which she unknowingly uses says there is salvation outside the Church. The baptism of desire is an example of salvation outside the Church.Her blog post confirms it.
Pope Benedict said in March 2016 that  EENS is no more like it was for the missionaries in the 16th century. He is a Cushingite like Ann Barnhardt and other traditionalists.
-Lionel Andrades

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Feeneyism: It is the old theology and philosophical reasoning which says there are no known exceptions past or present, to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).There are no explicit cases to contradict the traditional interpretation of EENS.It is practical. There obviously are  no known cases of the baptism of desire (BOD),baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) in 2017.So there are no practical exceptions to EENS.Neither was BOD,BOB and I.I an exception to Feeneyite EENS in 1949 when the Letter of the Holy Office was issued to the Archbishop of Boston. The cardinals made an objective mistake.Similarly mentioning BOD and I.I in Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14) relative to the traditional teaching on salvation was superfluous.

Cushingism: It is the new theology and philosophical reasoning.It assumes there are known exceptions, past and present, to the dogma EENS, on the need for all to formally enter the Church.It assumes that the baptism of desire etc are not hypothetical but objectively known.In principle hypothetical cases are objective in the present times.


We can interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechism(1994) with Feeneyite or Cushingite theology and the conclusion is different.

The CDF uses Cushingism.The Jesuit Missionaries and I use Feeneyism to interpret the Nicene Creed.

It is the same Creed today (2018) but our understanding and interpretation of it is different.

Check the blog Eucharist and Mission(Lionel’s Blog)  for Nicene Creed(right hand column). Also check Vatican Council II(Feeneyite) and Vatican Council II(Cushingite). At least for yourself end the doctrinal confusion.-Lionel

-Lionel Andrades

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Cushingite theology runs through Vatican Council II. It is a false theology and an innovation in the Church. It cannot be the work of the Holy Spirit.

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I spent three days with Father Feeney and the brothers in 1971 and can assure you that after hours of discussions especially with the brothers that they were all against Bob, Bod and II even as a possibility from God.- George Brenner

Lionel,

  You spend much time on your posts!  May God bless you for your time and energy that you spend on this endeavor. It remains well worth your time and effort.

  I personally remain a strong supporter of yours. You have very strong words against Cardinal Cushing and I agree with everything that you have
to say with regards to the Cardinal. He along with others has caused the great complexity and damage to our beloved Catholic faith over the last many years. It as if we have left our faith in full blown crisis.
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 The crisis of our faith is the result of many reasons.
1. The failure to read to the public the final message of Fatima by 1960
as directed by Our Blessed Mother is a complete shame.
2. The failure to dedicate Russia by NAME is a complete shame that our world will shortly pay for in untold suffering.
3. The crisis of the letter of 1949 is a grave damage to our faith, especially the role of Cardinal Cushing in undermining our faith with his approval of salvation outside the Catholic Church and failure to disapprove of contraception.
4.The failure to satisfy the Father Feeney situation correctly. It was wrong for Father Feeney not to go to Rome as it was just as wrong for Rome not to Come and see Father Feeney in the US and and not remedy this unfortunate situation of the very issue of salvation. BOTH Cardinal Cushing and the signers of the letter of 1949 and Father Feeney were wrong in his misunderstanding of exactly what our Catholic Church had in mind when taught that a person  could be saved as a Catholic by God alone and no man by baptism of blood(Bob), baptism of desire (Bod) or invincible ignorance(I.I). I spent three days with Father Feeney and the brothers in 1971 and can assure you that after hours of discussions especially with the brothers that they were all against Bob, Bod and II even as a possibility from God.
Lionel, you may post this on your open website if you wish.

In Christ,
George Brenner


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Cushingite theology runs through Vatican Council II. It is a false theology and an innovation in the Church. It cannot be the work of the Holy Spirit.




Cushingite theology runs through Vatican Council II. It is a false theology and an innovation in the Church. It cannot be the work of the Holy Spirit.

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NOSTRA AETATE 2,VATICAN COUNCIL II
2. From ancient times down to the present, there is found among various peoples a certain perception of that hidden power which hovers over the course of things and over the events of human history; at times some indeed have come to the recognition of a Supreme Being, or even of a Father. This perception and recognition penetrates their lives with a profound religious sense.
Religions, however, that are bound up with an advanced culture have struggled to answer the same questions by means of more refined concepts and a more developed language. Thus in Hinduism, men contemplate the divine mystery and express it through an inexhaustible abundance of myths and through searching philosophical inquiry. They seek freedom from the anguish of our human condition either through ascetical practices or profound meditation or a flight to God with love and trust. Again, Buddhism, in its various forms, realizes the radical insufficiency of this changeable world; it teaches a way by which men, in a devout and confident spirit, may be able either to acquire the state of perfect liberation, or attain, by their own efforts or through higher help, supreme illumination. Likewise, other religions found everywhere try to counter the restlessness of the human heart, each in its own manner, by proposing "ways," comprising teachings, rules of life, and sacred rites. The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men.(Lionel : For Cushing and the Jesuits outside the Church there is known salvation so it is easy to say all this in the text of Vatican Council II (NA 2)). Indeed, she proclaims, and ever must proclaim Christ "the way, the truth, and the life" (John 14:6), in whom men may find the fullness of religious life, in whom God has reconciled all things to Himself.(4)(Note, it is Jesus without the necessity of membership in the Catholic Church since outside the Church there is salvation for Cushing and the Council Fathers. The excommunication of Fr. Leonard Feeney was still not lifted by the pope and the Archbishop of Boston)The Church, therefore, exhorts her sons, that through dialogue and collaboration with the followers of other religions, carried out with prudence and love and in witness to the Christian faith and life,(without the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church) they recognize, preserve and promote the good things, spiritual and moral, as well as the socio-cultural values found among these men.
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3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems.(Including the Anonymous Muslim  who is saved in his religion 'through Jesus and the Church') They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet.(and there is still known salvation outside the Church for them) They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.(and they are still going to Heaven since when there is known salvation outside the Church, who can put the limits to 1000, 10.000 or a million Muslims or Jews.We could have a reasonable hope according to Cushingite theology that most men are saved).Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Moslems, this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom.








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4. As the sacred synod searches into the mystery of the Church, it remembers the bond that spiritually ties the people of the New Covenant to Abraham's stock.
Thus the Church of Christ acknowledges that, according to God's saving design, the beginnings of her faith and her election are found already among the Patriarchs, Moses and the prophets. She professes that all who believe in Christ-Abraham's sons according to faith (6)-are included in the same Patriarch's call, and likewise that the salvation of the Church is mysteriously foreshadowed by the chosen people's exodus from the land of bondage. The Church, therefore, cannot forget that she received the revelation of the Old Testament through the people with whom God in His inexpressible mercy concluded the Ancient Covenant. Nor can she forget that she draws sustenance from the root of that well-cultivated olive tree onto which have been grafted the wild shoots, the Gentiles.(7) Indeed, the Church believes that by His cross Christ, Our Peace, reconciled Jews and Gentiles. making both one in Himself.(8) (Again this has to be read without the old exclusive salvation in the Church theology.Instead there is now a new theology, based on invisible cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) being visible exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known to the missionaries in the 16th century. This was confirmed by a Cushingite Council Father, in March 2016, Pope Benedict XVI).
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The Church keeps ever in mind the words of the Apostle about his kinsmen: "theirs is the sonship and the glory and the covenants and the law and the worship and the promises; theirs are the fathers and from them is the Christ according to the flesh" (Rom. 9:4-5), the Son of the Virgin Mary.(The Catholic Church is the continuation of the Jewish religion so it is also ours is the sonship and the glory and the covenants and the law and the worship and the promises, ours are the fathers and Christ according to the flesh, in whom the Jews do not believe in as the Christ .) She also recalls that the Apostles, the Church's main-stay and pillars, as well as most of the early disciples who proclaimed Christ's Gospel to the world, sprang from the Jewish people (The Jewish people who rejected Him and so were out of the Church according to traditional Feeneyite theology.Feeneyite theology does not assume invisible cases of the BOD, BOB and I.I are visible exceptions to Jesus' teaching in John 3:5 and Mark 16:16).
As Holy Scripture testifies, Jerusalem did not recognize the time of her visitation,(9) nor did the Jews in large number, accept the Gospel; indeed not a few opposed its spreading.(10) Nevertheless, God holds the Jews most dear for the sake of their Fathers; He does not repent of the gifts He makes or of the calls He issues-such is the witness of the Apostle.(11)
(According to Feeneyite theology all the Jews are oriented to Hell with no known exceptions but this could not be said by the Cushingites at Vatican Council II) In company with the Prophets and the same Apostle, the Church awaits that day, known to God alone, on which all peoples will address the Lord in a single voice and "serve him shoulder to shoulder" (Soph. 3:9).(12)
Since the spiritual patrimony common to Christians and Jews is thus so great, this sacred synod wants to foster and recommend that mutual understanding and respect which is the fruit, above all, of biblical and theological studies as well as of fraternal dialogues.(Theological studies refer to the new theology, Cushingite theology).
True, the Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ;(13) still, what happened in His passion cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today. Although the Church is the new people of God, the Jews(Feeneyite theology slips through here) should not be presented as rejected or accursed by God, as if this followed from the Holy Scriptures. All should see to it, then, that in catechetical work or in the preaching of the word of God they do not teach anything that does not conform to the truth of the Gospel and the spirit of Christ.(As interpreted with irrational Cushingite theology, which is an innovation in the Church and causes a rupture with Tradition. So Vatican Council II has to emerge as a rupture with Tradition when it is not so.It is not so with Feeneyite theology which is traditional)
Furthermore, in her rejection of every persecution against any man, the Church, mindful of the patrimony she shares with the Jews and moved not by political reasons but by the Gospel's spiritual love, decries hatred, persecutions, displays of anti-Semitism, directed against Jews at any time and by anyone.
Besides, as the Church has always held and holds now, Christ underwent His passion and death freely, because of the sins of men and out of infinite love, in order that all may reach salvation.(So that all may reach salvation without necessarily being a member of the Catholic Church, since there is known salvation outside the Church for the Council Fathers at Vatican Council II.In a sense this is 'historic' for a Council in its error.). It is, therefore, the burden of the Church's preaching to proclaim the cross of Christ as the sign of God's all-embracing love and as the fountain from which every grace flows.(Proclaim the Cross to even to those who choose not to enter the Church, since they could be saved in their religion 'through Jesus and the Church'.The Cushingites want to proclaim the Cross even though they believe  outside the Church there is salvation.For them there are  known cases of people saved with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance... and even much more , seeds of the Word(AG 11),imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3) ....'
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Why mention subsist it in (LG 8) which is hypothetical, unless, of course, it is a reference to known people saved outside the Church in some way? Then it is meaningful.So it is mentioned in Vatican Council II. Why mention the hypothetical case of an unknown person saved imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3)? Why ? Since for Cushingites there are known cases of the catechumen who sought the baptism of water but died and could not receive it on earth but was still saved(LG 14).


The false Cushingite theology is a theme in Vatican Council II and can be seen in Nostra Aetate and the rest of the Council text.










 
When reading Vatican Council II we have to be aware of it.We can neutralize the mistake by knowing that the Council Fathers mistakenly assumed hypothetical cases were relevant to traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus.








 So we accept the hypothetical cases as just being hypothetical.They are theoretical and speculative.In this way we have a Vatican Council II which is traditional and in harmony with the dogma EENS as it was interpreted over the centuries.- Lionel Andrades

 











 

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